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  1. Some Basics Of Islam

    Hoopoe, I have been reading a little bit on the Muslim perspective of the afterlife. It sounds very similar to the Christian view of Heaven-Hell. What do you view as being the differences between the Heaven-Hell; punishment-reward systems.
  2. Some Basics Of Islam

    Thank you for the information. I am presently reading the Jewish version, and I can't say that I find Abraham and Sarah as being particularly admirable people. The story isn't much different from the basic story that I knew, but it gets worse as the author gets more in depth on the treatment of Hagar and Ishmeal.
  3. Some Basics Of Islam

    Thank you, that was very enlightening. I think you answered my question. What you are saying is that Allah is omniscient, prescient, but expects his followers to come to him of their own free will; which is different from the Calvinist view of predestination. I think I got that right. I am reading a fascinating book on the stories that are told from different religious perspectives(Islam, Jewish, and Christian). I have skipped right to the story of Sarah and Hagar. That story was always was very confusing to me. It will be interesting to read it from the Muslim perspective.
  4. Some Basics Of Islam

    Sorry, accidentally double posted.
  5. Some Basics Of Islam

    Thank you. Hoopoe. Could you clarify the Muslim belief in predestination. In the orthodox Christian tradition, the Calvinist belief in predestination is a lack of free will, and that your life has been predetermined. This definition of the Calvinist view of predestination is from a Christian site. Is the Muslim view the same? "Predestination – A Decree Predestination is the decree of God by which certain souls are foreordained to salvation -- called the elect." Also, could you elaborate on the concept of the jinns. We Gnostics believe that there are entities that drive us and keep us from our full potential as spiritual beings. The "whisperer" that feeds our fears. The Gnostic belief is that Jesus helped Mary Magdalene to cast out the seven demons of wrath, greed, pride, sloth, lust, gluttony, envy. We don't believe that these are actually Satanic demons, but the "evil whisperers" that prevent us from spiritual ascension. Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of mankind, The Sovereign of mankind. The God of mankind, From the evil of the retreating whisperer - Who whispers [evil] into the breasts of mankind - From among the jinn and mankind." [Quran 114:1-6] Among many of the Gnostics, this song shows our beliefs in the "demons that drive us" and preventing us from spiritual birth. Interestingly, Mary Magdalene, who is revered by Gnostics as the right hand of Jesus, is often referred to as the "Rose." Roslyn Chapel is a Gnostic site. "The Rose being significant, as seen in Western Gothic Architecture, symbolizing the secrets of the Divine feminine." The Rose Song by Bette Midler Lyrics Some say love it is a river That drowns the tender reed Some say love it is a razor That leaves your soul to bleed Some say love it is a hunger An endless aching need I say love it is a flower And you it's only seed It's the heart afraid of breaking That never learns to dance It's the dream afraid of waking That never takes the chance It's the one who won't be taken Who cannot seem to give And the soul afraid of dyin' That never learns to live When the night has been too lonely And the road has been too long And you think that love is only For the lucky and the strong Just remember in the winter Far beneath the bitter snows Lies the seed that with the sun's love In the spring becomes the rose
  6. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    I cannot make this man go away, so I will. This is the second time he has driven me away from here.
  7. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    What do you think are the major differences between the religions; in a positive way? What do you view as the differences that make Islam a better fit for you and your life?
  8. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Thank you, Doc. I think we can add a few more: Love and Charity for one's fellow man (and woman). Being honest. Modesty and fidelity.
  9. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Thank you, Hoopoe. We could start with the basics. I hear so much negative information, that I think it is important to gain a minimal understanding of Islam. To clear up a lot of the misconceptions that we Christians have about Islam. I am most interested in the parallels between the faiths. Our similarities, rather than our differences. For instance, the traditional greeting of Gnostics is, "Peace be with You," and the response is, "And with You." That is very similar to Islam. Thank you. Peace be with You.
  10. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Aligarr and Eclipse sound like the same person.
  11. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    Gnosticism is not an easy religion to follow or understand, but here is a little taste. It is interesting that pre-Constantine, Christians were evenly divided between between Orthodox and Gnostic Christians. There are quite a few books out there on the subject. http://www.essene.com/EarlyChurch/OrthodoxFromGnostic/The_Wheel.htm It was a bit strong. I was told that my beliefs were an attack on "Christian" beliefs. I refer to Eclipse's post, right before I put him on ignore. I don't need to defend my beliefs to anyone. I came here to get an understanding of Islam, not to get into arguments over orthodoxy. Peace be with You
  12. Muslim-Christian Debate, Here

    I thought so,too. That is one of the reasons I keep saying that I don't want to talk about it. I merely pointed out that groups had different perspectives on the value of good works, and the arguing about whether I was a "true Christian" started.