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[Fatwa]At What Age Does One Remove Khimar

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Salam Alkekum:

 

I am 56 years old and al humdililah have been wearing khimar for many years. As I get older, my eyes get tired. I think mainly from little sleep as I stay up in the night for salat and many other duties. I sleep after fajr salat until dohr salat. Fasting many days and such so I am wondering being I am older now is it permissible to think of removing the khimar.

 

I am an American living in Jordan and I do have blue eyes. So many have told me that it is required for life and many have told me being I am old I should remove it.

 

A very good friend of mine told me that khimar is a promise to Allah, and if I remove the khimar I would be same as reducing my iman.

 

So I would appreciate any response in helping me in this dilema.

 

Salam Alekum

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Dear sister, please clear this for me, before I give your question to a musfti:

do you mean replacing the khimar with a hijab that covers only your hair and neck?

 

or do you mean wearing nothing on your head?

 

Please describe your khimar. A Khimar does not cover the eyes, nor does a niqab. Do you cover your eyes?

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Salam Alkekum Dot:

 

No of course I will wear hijab this is required. My khimar does not cover my eyes. I am referring to removing the face cover. Some sheiks before told me I must cover my eyes as I have blue eyes not common in Jordan but I explain that I have eye problems. One eye diagnosed by the doctor as graying behind the eye causing sight problems. I have to wear sun glasses in the summer to avoid sun damage to that eye. But Al humdililah I am fine.

 

Sister Sara

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A mufti from The Egyptian Darul-Fatwa replied with the following

You can remove the face cover any time you like, because covering the face is not wajeb.

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The above was the fatwa that we have received from scholars of 'Dar Al Fatwa of Egypt'.

Members may discuss this issue by replying below. This post is a separator between the fatwa that we have officially received, and members' views and comments.

 

Readers are advised not to take the following posts as fatwa/ruling. They only represent the views of their posters.

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JazakAllah Khair Brother:

 

There are different of opinions here. To me it is required as was the wives of the prophet. I know I can remove at any time but my real question is when SHOULD I remove the khimar? Being I have worn it for many years, 7 to be precise. I want to make sure Allah, swt would not be upset. So that is why I am asking.

 

Sister Sara

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The Shaffi position is that the face veil is wajib but there is also a very strong and valid opinion that says its not.

 

So my Shaykh's position is that if you live in a Muslim country where the face veil is common then it is obligatory as it is the strongest opinion but if you live in a non Muslim country or a place where it is seen as something strange then you are not sinful if you take the ruhksa. In fact Allah willing their could even be benefit (e,g. dawah).

 

This could help: (you are not allowed to post links yet)"you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yethalaltube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wearing-the-niqab"]you can't post links until you reach 50 posts_you are not allowed to post links yethalaltube(contact admin if its a beneficial link)/wearing-the-niqab[/url]

 

Allah only made things obligatory for our benifit and He knows best.

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Salam Alekum:

 

I live in a Muslim country but it is not the norm here. Maybe 1 out of a hundred wear khimar. Jordan is more of a relax country. As I am getting older this is my question. I always said when I became 55 I would give it up and then it was 60 so when I pose the questions getting many answers. I would appreciate any help you can offer.

 

Sister Sara

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The Shaykh in the lecture I posted above lives in Jordan. AFAIK all of his students wear the niqab.

 

A women asked my Shaykh a similar question from memory it went like this: "At what age can I take the face veil off" The Shaykh replied "When you die"

 

Consider what benefit do you get by taking it off?

 

Anyway, Dot has posted a fatwa above saying it is permissible so its up to you.

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I am more inclined to follow your interpretation. I have to consider it as my jihad.

 

JazakAllah Khair

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salam

 

I don't know which is forbidden or ok, but I know that keeping your modesty definitely brings you more reward because you can be a guide to righteousness for young women who are not as modest as you. Be a good example.

 

You are not old. 60 years old is middle age.

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Assalamu alaikum, covering the face with a Niqaab is something that our beloved mothers, Ummahatul Mmineen used to do, and it is recommended that we follow them.

 

If someone is having health issues ( Claustrophobia breathing or something else) because of covering her face, then she can take off th Niqaab no matter what the age, but if there is no issue, then why should we change our habits.

 

I just want to add that I have not heard about covering Eyes because your eyes are blue, I know it might not be common in places to have coloured eyes, but now a days girls all over, even in my native India are wearing coloured contact and they all look blue eyed, lol.

 

If a woman is old and has stopped mensturating and is not into makeup and beautification and have no sexual desires and does not talk without dire need to non mahram men then she is excused if part of her hijaab is off.

 

Assalamu alaikum.

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If a woman is old and has stopped mensturating and is not into makeup and beautification and have no sexual desires and does not talk with without dire need then she is excused if part of her hijaab is off.

 

This is me for sure. I prayed a couple years ago for Allah, swt, to remove my sexual desires and al humdililah I am good.

 

Nobody in Jordan has blue eyes, but I have an legitimate excuse with my eye problem. It is hot now and as we get older we become more tired and on the internet so much so I really can't blame the khimar for my eye problems. But surely I have enjoyed seeing all the opinions.

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I don't know which is forbidden or ok, but I know that keeping your modesty definitely brings you more reward because you can be a guide to righteousness for young women who are not as modest as you. Be a good example.

 

You are not old. 60 years old is middle age.

 

This is my favorite opinion so far.

 

60 years old is middle age. Yes, I feel great.

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i am not a Muslim, but may i offer a view?

 

certainly dressing modestly is the best thing for a Muslim woman. many Muslims feel niqab is recommended, or even fard for a Muslim woman.

 

your heart desires to please God, and do His will. not many in your country wear the face veil, and you already wear a head scarf. the face veil is causing you some distress and it sounds like you would rather take it off, or are really considering it.

 

i would have my own view as a Christian, but the matter is truly up to you. it is your face, your faith, and your choice, as a middle-aged woman with difficulty seeing, living in a less conservative country.

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Assalam Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

 

MashaALLAh Subhaaan Allah Sister Mariam I am very much glad to your response, May Allah SWT guide us all alike- Allahumma aameen - My love goes out to you Sister Maraim! (sorry for being sentimental)

 

coming back to the topic of Khimar, yes there is a difference in opinion, about Khimaar.

Since you have eye problem you have two choices either remove it or either steadfast and recive a reward for it from Allah SWT, Let me tell you a small thing of my life - i used o b asthamatic - I used to spend half the day out of my class coz of asthama - i always wore the Hijaab and at age 13 Alhamdulillah Wa Shukrulillah I started cvering my face even, the first in school and family and was under alot of pressure from school and family both, and my asthama worsened, but i just stayed with the Khimaar or Niqaab and when I used to start getting suffocated I would just meditate about our grave and Judgement day - and sometimes i used to get very bad attacks and b out in the corridoor but still with the Niqaab - Alhamdulillah after a year or two Only By Allah SWT I was cured without any medicine or anything, I only get Asthama Attacks once or twice a year now - Alhamdulillah - I believ this to b a blessing from Allah SWT and indeed it is -

 

2 years back I was on my way for Umrah, first time with the crutch, though i can walk without it but i limp and am in severe pain, I was very nervous and we were going by road, Alhamdulillah we had a scholar with us, and i asked my questions viz my bro form him, if i should do Umrah with or without teh crutch, as I can walk but it hurts, He answered saying you have two options

1: you may use the crutch but it will hinder other Peoples way

2: or you may not use it and have little pain but gain more reward

 

I was still very confused what to do, but when we reached our flat i was asked to help some sisters who were doing Umrah 1st time so it became a group and at that time i decided not to use the crutch - Alhamdulillah as my mother who is old i had to hold her also - May Allah SWT accept my Umrah - and all acts of worship and forgive anything wrong i did - Allahumma aameen

 

so sister back to your issue, at your age its optional you may choose any path you wish

MAy Allah SWT guide us all alike

Allahumma aameeen

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Dear Umm e Sarwat

 

thank you, sister, for your response. i like your answer, too.

 

such matters should be up to the individual Muslim. and Ms. Sara's age and eyes should also be considered.

 

it's a uniquely Islamic issue, but an important one.

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The hijaab of an elderly woman

 

Question: Is it allowed for a woman advanced in age, say 70 or 90 years old, to uncover her face in front of relatives who are not mahram?

 

Response: Allaah says, {And as for women past child-bearing who do not expect marriage, it is no sin upon them if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show their adornment. But to refrain is better for them. And Allaah is All-Hearer, All-Knower}, [an-Noor 60]. So there is no harm if the menopausal women who are not seeking marriage and are not displaying their adornments uncover their faces in front of non-related men. However, for them to remain covered is still better for Allaah has said in the verse, {But to refrain is better for them.} This is because some of them, when they are seen, may be a source of temptation due to their beautiful faces even though they are elderly and not displaying their adornments. However, if she is going to be having adornments [such as make-up and jewellery], she may not take off her outer covering. Having adornments includes beautifying the face with kohl and so forth.

 

Shaykh Ibn Baaz

Fataawa al-Mar.ah

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